Ten Years of Spotify, ODB Backwards, and Finding 1,000 Real Fans

K-Ski and Kavawon close out 2025 by taking stock — of the year, the scene, and what being an independent artist is going to mean next. It opens loose: fantasy football misery, load management and fans paying to watch stars sit, Ronnie Lott's finger, the Herschel Walker trade, Philly fan brutality. Then it turns. K-Ski's 2025 — his wife's injury, a trip back to Trenton and Philly, and how the guns arrived back home. Kavawon's producer year, a finished EP, and ghostwriting. The middle is the best part. Kavawon asked an AI for twenty Vancouver artists and had never heard of any of them, which starts a genuinely uncomfortable conversation about how tapped-in the scene actually is — and lands somewhere hopeful, on Detour, Dipt's 25 years, and the Hogan's Alley Society. Community builds culture. Then the veterans: Nas, Clipse, Slick Rick, De La, RZA's Juice Crew project. MC Shan vs Big Daddy Kane. ODB storming a session and recording it backwards. Wu-Tang in Hawaii. Why veteran MCs get paid more overseas, Daz Dillinger's direct-to-consumer math, and ten years of Spotify saturation — ending on the argument that a thousand paying fans is a career, and why Kavawon is releasing four EPs instead of one album in 2026. Recorded at B-Side Radio, Vancouver BC. 0:00 Intro: upcoming shows 1:12 Kavawon's producer year and an EP 2:22 Fantasy football and basketball misery 3:50 Load management and the fans paying 5:38 Ronnie Lott's finger 7:19 Rooting against your family's team 9:41 The Herschel Walker trade 11:30 Eagles at 8-4 and Philly fan brutality 12:47 Astrology and Kavawon's cocoon year 14:00 K-Ski's 2025: back to Trenton 15:41 Sidewalk rules in tackle football 17:32 How the guns arrived back home 18:40 Beats Blues and Bars gets recognized 20:29 20 local artists we'd never heard of 23:21 Taking the podcast mobile 25:10 Vancouver's drama-free scene 26:47 Community builds culture 32:36 Beaumont Studios and a give-back plan 34:04 2025 headlines and the Diddy docuseries 37:48 Veteran MCs return: Nas, Clipse, De La 39:14 MC Shan vs Big Daddy Kane 42:48 ODB records it backwards 45:48 Wu-Tang in Hawaii: 'It's Yourz' 47:54 Playing your role in a group 50:27 Telling your real story 51:55 Why veterans do better overseas 53:11 Daz Dillinger's independent math 56:00 Disenchantment with celebrity 57:27 Ten years of Spotify and saturation 1:00:32 Everyone's a musician now 1:03:28 Finding your 1,000 paying fans 1:05:06 Four EPs instead of one album 1:10:53 2025 losses: Ozzy, Sly Stone, and more 1:13:22 AI in music and fake artists 1:15:58 Closing: reminders and into 2026